We are just back from a short stay in Picardie, by the Bay of the Somme. It was interesting to pass through Calais, which has been on TV most nights for the last week or two. As we left, finishing touches were being put to tall fences, topped with razor wire along several miles of the access road to the docks.
Groups of young men, presumably migrants, were to be seen near the lorry parks, but there was no sign of the police.
In the CRS France has some of the most effective riot police around, but they are presumably hamstrung by the impossibility of deciding what to do with the migrants once they are in the bag, as are Kent police.
Well I wouldn't rely on the "Human Rights Act" such as it is to protect the UK from economic migrants..
ReplyDeleteJust as well they didn't try getting into your boot , or you might have found yourself arrested and perhaps see the other side of how unpleasant it can be.
These poor men and women are fleeing from such appalling conditions and are desperate to reach the safety of Britain, it is a disgrace that the Tory government and the right wing press demonise them so much. It is our duty to help them in every way we can.
ReplyDeleteReally? Endlessly, however many there are? Heaven help us.
DeleteNo.. they are seeking the easy life created by Brown's tax credit system and unaffordable welfare. Cut that to the bone or disallow it to economic migrants and they'll go somewhere else.
DeleteBollox, they should be given asylum in the first contry they come to as per the Geneva convention and 1967 protocol to the convention
DeleteJonathon, that's great! How many rooms can you spare to house some of them?
DeleteJonathon - I agree - you are right - it's the civilised thing to do - but how are we going to pay for it ?
DeleteFunny, I don't see 'helpless men and women' but young men of fighting age. For myself I would give them such help as they need but make it very, very clear that they will not be allowed to settle in the UK.
DeleteMy wife and I now call them the 'medical students' since everyone who is interviewed says they want to be a doctor.
My experience in the police has taught me that as most of these people come from groups that are violently opposed to each other they are not going to turn into rose petal strewing peaceniks.
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Actually, on consideration, was that comment a tad sarcastic? If so congratulations for getting so many to bite, myself included.
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Once they're in the bag do the same as you would with unwanted puppies: throw the bag in the nearest river (or the Channel in this case).
ReplyDeleteNot too sure I understand how this vile post got past the pre-moderation?
DeleteSurprising that a serving magistrate should allow an open incitement to kill to appear openly on his moderated blog. A lecturer was disciplined for suggesting that bankers might end up being strung up from lampposts a few years ago. What view of this would the judicial complaints people take I wonder? It hardly shows the magistracy up in a good light...
DeleteHow do you know the poster was a magistrate? It seems clear to me that many who post are not.
DeleteGlad I don't sit with Jonathon.
ReplyDeleteI recently travelled Dover to Calais and was FAVOURABLY impressed with the efforts being made (on the dual carriageway between the docks and the Autoroute) by the Gendarmerie/Police/CRS/whatever to round up the would-be self-smugglers.
ReplyDeleteWhether they are really fleeing tyranny or they are looking for economic advantage is an interesting question but they will be as safe in Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Holland or Italy as they will in the UK. Maybe it’s time for the EU to spend some money on buying an enclave in North Africa and building a refugee camp (a new town?) complete with facilities such as places of worship, medical centres, schools (for when their families arrive), libraries, canteens for them to eat in and a police force all at the EU’s expense. In the long run this could well be cheaper financially and in terms of lives lost as sea than what is happening at present.
I agree, in the long run it will be cheaper and save us from a large amount of public disorder. failure to do something now will only kick the can down the road for a few years (if that).
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I am always intrigued by the portrayal by the media that there are so many women and children yet all the news channels show apparently fit young men....
ReplyDeletePersonally I would double the Border Force budget .................
Yes, there are certainly some who are fleeing terror and appalling lives but the majority are econonic and just want a nicer life-- they see the streets paved with gold and think they can just fit in to the UK Well they can't and shouldn't.
ReplyDeleteIt might not be fashionable to say but we can't look after our own never mind others who want to come here who cannot speak the language or want to observe our customs.
Stuff the Human Rights Act and close the borders. If the do gooders want to help then they can send money to help them.
The country is on it's knees at the moment and we just cannot cope.
It is not xenophobia just life- we can't look after everyone and the world is a tough place.
And while we're at it, let's canvas the media to stop calling these people "Migrants". They are not migrants, they are illegal immigrants trying to blag their way into a soft-touch country.
DeleteWhile we're on the subject, why aren't we asking the PM why it is he thinks all these illegal immigrants are queuing up at Calais? What explanation does he have to offer to explain why these people aren't disappearing into the French/German/Holland/Belgium interiors in such numbers? Why aren't we asking the PM to tell us exactly what he is going to change to make the UK less attractive to illegal immigrants?
Just because their own countries have turned into basket cases it's no reason to let them in here. The very behaviour being demonstrated by these illegal immigrants is exactly why they should be prevented from getting in here. Is anyone so naive as to think that they'll turn into model citizens once they have bailed out of the back of a lorry onto our soil?
The bleeding hearts can weep & wail as much as they like but this country needs to be changed from the country of first choice to the country of last choice and we should be demanding that our politicians make it so.
Multi-culturalism was wrong and has a lot to answer for.
ReplyDeleteMy ancestors were Jews from the Polish Russian border, fleeing the pogroms they came here in the late 1800's. Many may have lived in the same area of London, around the East End but they had to learn English if they wanted to work, and they did.
Today if a non English speaker wants to claim a benefit of some sort they can ask for the form in their own language. That's the first thing that should go. If someone can't complete a form in English they shouldn't get what they were seeking, and nobody should be able to apply for any benefits unless they have paid tax for at least a year or two.
I wonder what supplying interpreters in court costs. Fine if someone really doesn't speak the language but it's not uncommon to have a witness to answer in their own language before the interpreter has had a chance to translate it from the English for them. Maybe some assumptions should be made. If you've been in the UK for more than X years, you just don't get one.
I can get by socially in French and in German but if I was on trial for anything at all in a French or German speaking country I would want an interpreter. Court-language is not social talk.
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ReplyDeleteThis post seems to have turned into a xenophobe's dream.
ReplyDeleteMost unlike this blog. And I am sure not what its authors intended.
Some people make me truly ashamed to be British; the irony being that they think that they are standing up for Britain. You ain't folks : you just drag the country down.
(And yes; I am a magistrate).
Absolutely right. These people are NOT migrants. They are illegal immigrants and the media should describe them accordingly. They want to come to UK because they know we are a soft touch and my views happen to be mine and I am not xenophobic. I am also British and proud of it. Since this thread seems to have ventured into new areas which the moderator is allowing I will continue by saying I do want to reverse many of the stupid issues that have entered our lives over the years and I for one want out of the wasteful European Community and back to us controlling our own borders. And as I type this I see the EC has yet again given more taxpayers money to Greece to prop up a failing country that should never have been in the Euro anyway and have priced themselves out of a competitive economy. But enough from an old JP. I wll be attacked I know even if this gets past the moderator.
ReplyDeleteI have moderated with a light touch, as ever, but I think this is enough about the EU and migrants, so any more such stuff may not see the light of day.
ReplyDeleteOnce again the fine words around 'free speech' means only what the SJW want it to mean.
ReplyDeleteClosing down comments on threads like this because it clashes with the reality you like just underlines how truely buggered the west is.