Today was a bit out of the ordinary. Our trial fell apart because of a Mickey-Mouse foul-up by the CPS. These days the wind is blowing pretty briskly in the direction of telling the CPS to get on with it: this usually results in them offering no evidence and the case being thrown out. Today, however, there were victims to be considered in a case of harassment, so we adjourned, making it quite clear that we had performed a balancing act.
We then took a case involving two Eastern Europeans, who were assisted by an interpreter. That meant that the trial took at least twice as long as it might have done, especially as prosecuting counsel took ages to get over the simplest points.
Ploughing through the reams of evidence we were diverted by a racket coming up from the cells under the court. Incoherent shouting, thumps and bangs carried on for about half an hour as a prisoner expressed his displeasure at being locked up.
There's always something new coming through the door of our court.
Musings and Snippets from a recently retired JP. I served for 31 years, mostly in west London. I was Chairman of my Bench for some years, and a member of the National Bench Chairmen's Forum All cases are based on real ones, but anonymised and composited. All opinions are those of one or more individuals. JPs swear to enforce the law of the land, whether or not they approve of it. Nothing on here constitutes legal advice.
Are you allowed to say if the interpreter was independent, or if they were employed by a company.
ReplyDeleteJohn Gibson
The case was under Civil Procedure, so the respondents had to supply and pay for their own interpreter. I don't think he was from Capita.
DeleteWhat would happen then if they claim they can't pay? Would proceedings be suspended, a free (at point of receipt) interpreter supplied, or what? (I presume the case wouldn't simply be dismissed.)
DeleteCivil cases bypass all the safeguards of a criminal trial. No free interpreter, no legal aid, no right to silence, no presumption of innocence. You defend yourself or you lose, and costs go with the cause. A man of straw might be able to find no-win-no-fee representation but if not he's on his tod.
DeleteIt doesn't seem right that magistrates, who donate their time for no pay for the good of society, should be expected to hear and judge a civil case between two parties.
ReplyDeleteOne of the parties was a Government organisation.
ReplyDeleteI was being slightly tongue-in-cheek since only the government brings civil cases to a Magistrates' court. Mere mortals have to go to the County or High courts.
DeleteIt seems wrong to me that the government tips the scales of justice its favour by bringing confiscation proceedings under civil law (with the safeguards of a criminal case stripped away) but lists the case in what is essentially a criminal court presided over by people who have volunteered to play a part in the criminal justice system and then applies a criminal sanction (effectively a fine) when they win under a balance of probability standard of proof. (Which is contrary to the 1689 Bill of Rights, but who cares about that any more?)
A technical question for Bystander, or any mag: in a civil rules case is any party expected to sit in the dock, or are all parties allowed on the front bench?
Who does hear civil cases? Is it always a judge where the case involves two private parties?
ReplyDeleteI believe that although most civil cases are heard by a judge, sometimes a jury is involved. It's outside my experience. Some matters before magistrates are dealt with under civil (rather then Criminal) Procedure Rules, that affect the way the trial is conducted. An example is the Proceeds of Crime Act (PoCA) where seizure applications are civil proceedings, but in the criminal court.
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