tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post1585431208183539254..comments2023-07-10T10:57:18.522+01:00Comments on The Magistrates' Blog: GlimmerBystander http://www.blogger.com/profile/10211688955428527960noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-62009262259884158882012-11-02T19:33:09.966+00:002012-11-02T19:33:09.966+00:00Yeah, if you see any large black cars or kids on b...Yeah, if you see any large black cars or kids on bikes, I should hide behind a tree.Robert the Bikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-38063416560612330622012-11-02T12:42:00.401+00:002012-11-02T12:42:00.401+00:00@Biker
Your mount?
Brough Superior?
But please ...@Biker<br /><br />Your mount?<br /><br />Brough Superior?<br /><br />But please do have a care in the Dorset environs, as history would suggest.Old Geezernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-42042592278050689452012-11-01T23:20:23.897+00:002012-11-01T23:20:23.897+00:00Thank you, Bystander, for another wonderful post.Thank you, Bystander, for another wonderful post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-30540893468851721712012-11-01T16:34:44.013+00:002012-11-01T16:34:44.013+00:00Bloody Hell, are they really that anal?Bloody Hell, are they really that anal?Robert the Bikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-44393008216612405862012-11-01T15:24:53.410+00:002012-11-01T15:24:53.410+00:00"If being pissed or off one's tits on dru..."If being pissed or off one's tits on drugs are supposed to be aggravating rather than mitigating factors, why do defence solicitors mention it?"<br /><br />Well often they have no choice, since it is otherwise an elephant in the room. But it is rarely used as a mitigating argument unless the outcome sought is drug treatment (which is only ever part of a sentence handed out).<br /><br />"Biker: 1996 Harley FXDL (Lowrider)how about you?". <br /><br />I'd love to tell you, but for the fact that the Senior Presiding Judge might use the information to identify me and thence disbar me from the Bench.<br /><br />Funny old world, innit?Bikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-71727921806332384252012-11-01T14:30:57.473+00:002012-11-01T14:30:57.473+00:00Well...I suppose they do provide employment for pr...Well...I suppose they do provide employment for probation officers, social workers and dare I say it, magistrates : )Robert the Bikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-15920646667988685842012-11-01T09:41:34.843+00:002012-11-01T09:41:34.843+00:00If being pissed or off one's tits on drugs are...If being pissed or off one's tits on drugs are supposed to be aggravating rather than mitigating factors, why do defence solicitors mention it?<br /><br />Surely if the judiciary really did consider it to be an aggravating factor, defence solicitors would go out of their way to deny that their client was out of it!Hibbonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-14524972024331957502012-11-01T09:24:46.835+00:002012-11-01T09:24:46.835+00:00OK, subjectively then, how is a lifelong smackhead...OK, subjectively then, how is a lifelong smackhead of value to society? Hibbonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-16155584234835040972012-11-01T09:20:12.252+00:002012-11-01T09:20:12.252+00:00Well, quite Tony! These are the people who from yo...Well, quite Tony! These are the people who from your statement have given up on sticking needles in their arms for fun. Since they are no longer on smack and are holding down jobs I applaud them and so this one agrees with you too.<br /><br />Biker: 1996 Harley FXDL (Lowrider)how about you?Robert the Bikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-72153025844614047202012-11-01T08:49:35.817+00:002012-11-01T08:49:35.817+00:00http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id...http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10844344<br />Fungus the Photo!https://www.blogger.com/profile/14879977479841544025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-41266192649207179252012-11-01T08:45:32.823+00:002012-11-01T08:45:32.823+00:00We seem to have two Bikers here (which is nice).
...We seem to have two Bikers here (which is nice).<br /><br />This one agrees with you.Bikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-47113109915078844642012-11-01T08:09:54.432+00:002012-11-01T08:09:54.432+00:00For the record, Biker, I have seen patients who do...For the record, Biker, I have seen patients who do hold down reasonable jobs for long periods of time after heroin addition. Some of them are on methadone maintenance, some on buprenorphine, and some simply attending their equivalent of alcoholics anonymous. These are not 'sheltered' jobs, either, and include ordinary City clerks, retail shop workers, drivers of various types, and council workers. Would admit that it is uncommon, but it is certainly not an impossibility. Tony Frostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-68571644553287765552012-11-01T00:26:35.353+00:002012-11-01T00:26:35.353+00:00One of the most effective means of drug rehab is r...One of the most effective means of drug rehab is residential treatment in specialised units, which consistently produce lower rates not only of re-offending within each of the standard benchmark periods, but also of freedom from drug use over time. This does not seem to be a disposal that lies within the courts' armoury, however. Substitution therapy (with methadone etc.) is not addressing the drug dependence, and only tangentially the behavioural issues around recourse to drugs. Tired Old Hacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-38670271403818516602012-10-31T21:29:39.319+00:002012-10-31T21:29:39.319+00:00Because value isn't an objective construct.Because value isn't an objective construct.Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-14731932850826903772012-10-31T20:05:13.146+00:002012-10-31T20:05:13.146+00:00Sympathy for victims isn't the point. What hel...Sympathy for victims isn't the point. What helps victims, past and potential, is to stop reoffending, something that short prison sentences are notably bad at doing. Community sentences involving drug and alcohol treatment are far from perfect, but they still offer a better hope than anything else at the court's disposal. Bystander https://www.blogger.com/profile/10211688955428527960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-76723446457649647832012-10-31T19:59:54.573+00:002012-10-31T19:59:54.573+00:00And yet these two parasites, who have probably con...And yet these two parasites, who have probably contributed a measurable percentage to the misery of any who have crossed their paths or had something they could steal to sell for their next fix, will have probably gotten a community sentance (as Bystander hinted). So much for increasing the gravity of an offence. Sorry, but my sympathy is for their victims, I have none for them.Robert the Bikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-70799874176603871032012-10-31T17:35:38.489+00:002012-10-31T17:35:38.489+00:00"If alcohol and 'baccy are so bad, why is..."If alcohol and 'baccy are so bad, why is being a pisshead not mitigation? "<br /><br />I think you may have misunderstood. Whilst sentencing can often attempt to address offending on drugs by dealing with drug addiction that does not make it a mitigation.<br /><br />Sentencing Guidelines quite explicitly place alcohol and drugs in the same bracket as Aggravating Factors. Thus they note that "Commission of offence whilst under the influence of alcohol or drugs" should normally increase the gravity of any offence.Bikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-48413177205979619642012-10-31T14:31:16.937+00:002012-10-31T14:31:16.937+00:00Indeed it is.
However, given that I have served m...Indeed it is.<br /><br />However, given that I have served my country and have been in full-time employment since I was 17, how could one possibly be of the opinion that a lifelong smackhead is of greater value to society?Hibbonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-56205846462277718992012-10-31T12:33:54.560+00:002012-10-31T12:33:54.560+00:00Any more of this playground abuse and you are out ...Any more of this playground abuse and you are out of here for keeps. If you don't like it, start your own blog, but don't sour mine. Bystander https://www.blogger.com/profile/10211688955428527960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-46650225599536228012012-10-31T12:25:20.610+00:002012-10-31T12:25:20.610+00:00Just what colours are those, wl? You clearly don&#...Just what colours are those, wl? You clearly don't like light being shone onto your true nature. Man on the Village Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02420025319687905046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-49781909726483370612012-10-31T11:07:26.499+00:002012-10-31T11:07:26.499+00:00Oh dear Man on the village green has shown his tru...Oh dear Man on the village green has shown his true colours. Not even worth debating with such people! westlawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-56219215124909570642012-10-31T11:01:05.197+00:002012-10-31T11:01:05.197+00:00"Gone west" is used idiomatically to mea..."Gone west" is used idiomatically to mean "died / extinguished" and it rather looks as though poor WotL's blog is going the same way. No comments, and only a few dozen views. With opinions such as these, and expressed so poorly, I am not surprised. Man on the Village Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02420025319687905046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-91190634431139899922012-10-31T10:21:17.714+00:002012-10-31T10:21:17.714+00:00Two things strike me here:
If alcohol and 'bac...Two things strike me here:<br />If alcohol and 'baccy are so bad, why is being a pisshead not mitigation? Why are briefs not going "Oh your worship, it's all because my client is a confirmed 'baccy head" Do people shoplift and burgle to get money for drink and tobacco? I think these crimes are mostly commited to afford yet more illegal drugs.<br />Secondly, since I am not aware of any of these smackheaded cretins who are capable (after a given level of addiction) of holding down any form of gainfull employment, who precisely do you expect to pay for their drugs, their housing, their food? Would I be far out to suggest that would be me? I have neither desire nor interest in supporting a class of professional addicts who do not and will not contribute anything to society, I prefer to arm myself against them. If this is considered harsh, perhaps some of the more righteous posters would care to explain why I should tolerate being robbed or mugged or burgled by some drug addled moron.Robert the Bikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-53910013515378699222012-10-31T09:21:04.013+00:002012-10-31T09:21:04.013+00:00That is a matter of opinion.That is a matter of opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-6075771209508952182012-10-31T08:56:25.189+00:002012-10-31T08:56:25.189+00:00Well I cannot speak for you, Tony, I can confident...Well I cannot speak for you, Tony, I can confidently state that I would be a greater loss to society than your average smackhead.Hibbonoreply@blogger.com