tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post5198615051482219975..comments2023-07-10T10:57:18.522+01:00Comments on The Magistrates' Blog: Old Wine in New BottlesBystander http://www.blogger.com/profile/10211688955428527960noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-50886865369707698672012-07-18T21:31:03.348+01:002012-07-18T21:31:03.348+01:00....which is exactly what they want!....which is exactly what they want!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-63679863951407616442012-07-18T12:49:52.908+01:002012-07-18T12:49:52.908+01:00Isn't this drivell getting out of hand.
We don...Isn't this drivell getting out of hand.<br />We don't mind the odd rant but can we get back to a decent converstion- or is more medication required?Tiptopnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-3543468403419382762012-07-18T11:54:10.748+01:002012-07-18T11:54:10.748+01:00Dear Mr Bench, Courts are not for enjoying. Indeed...Dear Mr Bench, Courts are not for enjoying. Indeed nearly all the folks I saw were scumbags. There is a discrepancy in sentencing - Court One had yobs smashing up cars whilst drunk and getting away with it. Fine was £325 (incl £75 to plod that they will never get) and is outstanding since 2005. I was not caught I volunteered to go and see if I could get a remit of fines (part or full). Won't make that mistake again. You seem to be just there to get money - a sign of a police state on the ropes. Yours, Ronald Urquhart Broxted, Esq, M.Litt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-73945391105480850572012-07-18T11:50:40.256+01:002012-07-18T11:50:40.256+01:00He was a nudnik. There was a West Indian guy next ...He was a nudnik. There was a West Indian guy next to him and Jock started shouting about "Banana boats". I was going to make an official complaint. As with Maya Evans (jailed for non payment/culpable neglect/wilful refusal) for not paying a fine after she (gasp) read out names of dead soldiers many of us have issues with you. Aug 2011 saw the demise of justice, all you dispensed was vindictiveness and fear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-58981035656331169922012-07-17T22:38:00.840+01:002012-07-17T22:38:00.840+01:00Don't encourage this idiot,you won't win.H...Don't encourage this idiot,you won't win.He blogs from a mental hospital.He seems OK at first before showing his true colours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-78312475121610267532012-07-17T20:29:56.805+01:002012-07-17T20:29:56.805+01:00I have been involved with many thousands of cases ...I have been involved with many thousands of cases over the years. I can safely say that I have never heard anyone screamed at from any bench at whatever level.<br /><br />Of cousre, if it's the content rather than the nature of delivery that you don't like, you could always try paying the fine in the first place.AlsoJPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-77287860411213637862012-07-17T18:32:18.481+01:002012-07-17T18:32:18.481+01:00As perhaps you know, in Italy all judicial decisio...As perhaps you know, in Italy all judicial decisions must be issued together with the reasoning behind, which we call motivazione . Motivazione is the real weak point of every decision,sometimes for what is says, but more often for what it doesn't say . Because what isn't there, it can be assumed, was never considered by the judge in his/her decision. And if it can be shown to be a relevant point, then the decision's unsound and can be reversed. Or simply criticized in the press. So, I find,our motivazioni keep growing longer with every year that passes. To give you an idea, the first trial judgement in Meredith Kercher's case is 400 pages long; judgement in the second trial is about 150. Quite unusual in a case like that, where I would expect around 50 pages for a conviction, 20 perhaps for an acquittal: but it is a case under intense public scrutiny.<br />I suppose the Chief Judge was somewhat wary of the amount of media coverage the JK case was receiving, and meant to let it appear that it hadn't been taken lightly by the bench either.Italian lawyernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-251321613905164322012-07-17T17:09:34.160+01:002012-07-17T17:09:34.160+01:00Dear Mr Broxted,
We are sorry that you did not en...Dear Mr Broxted,<br /><br />We are sorry that you did not enjoy your time in Court. We must however point out that it may have escaped your notice that the alleged discrepancies in sentences are in fact a direct result of what we, the Magistracy, call "evidence", and "guilt" or "innocence".<br /><br />Depending on the level of your fine, and the amount of time it has been outstanding, it's not in fact impossible that Mag 2 was speaking the literal truth, even whilst he "literally" frothed at the mouth.<br /><br />Or in short, if you are not going to pay your fines dont' complain about "persecution".<br /><br />Yours,<br /><br />The BenchBikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-21954930861312625802012-07-17T17:09:10.692+01:002012-07-17T17:09:10.692+01:00No, I am the one and only Nationalist. And your st...No, I am the one and only Nationalist. And your statements do not make sense (to me.) You say people develop as a product of nature and nurture; then you agree nature is genetics; but then you say people do not develop genetically! Your statements are self-contradictory.Nationalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00298563601180545788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-68820764161792482952012-07-17T16:16:38.747+01:002012-07-17T16:16:38.747+01:00I would like a question answered. I attended a mag...I would like a question answered. I attended a magistrates court not too far from West London. Unpaid fine. Anyhow, I was sent (erroneously) to Court Number One. I sat there quietly for an hour. The bench were 2 old ladies and an old man who let everybody off (or what seemed to be). I am tapped on the shoulder and go to Court Number X. A fool with a Scots accent is literally frothing at the mouth screaming at me that "I am that far from Wormwood Scrubs". Now then, why is there discrepancy in sentencing. Mag 1 lets us off, Mag 2 gives us heavy time. Babylonian persecution or are you just all (cont p.9)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-72115175029085501802012-07-17T16:12:30.448+01:002012-07-17T16:12:30.448+01:00Does anyone in the MoJ cost these ideas? We keep b...Does anyone in the MoJ cost these ideas? We keep being told that we are to cut costs and then hear the MoJ putting forward a case that must increase court costs; bonkers. Not even sure the other justice agencies could cope; extending hours for a national emergency is one thing, but this one is crackers.MrDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-59396427737389913262012-07-17T14:03:06.425+01:002012-07-17T14:03:06.425+01:00P.S.: Watch out Ed not B. Any more of that and th...P.S.: Watch out Ed not B. Any more of that and they'll have you as discriminating against women, for saying sad little creatures don't have balls.Tony Frostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-5085818127883018442012-07-17T13:55:15.442+01:002012-07-17T13:55:15.442+01:00@Ed(notB). Zoologically, I am sure you would find...@Ed(notB). Zoologically, I am sure you would find lots of what you would regard as sad little creatures without balls. Your gratuitous, unthinking, repeated offensiveness is what's wrong. So stop wingeing when people respond in kind.Tony Frostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-46648767052002592552012-07-17T13:47:36.930+01:002012-07-17T13:47:36.930+01:00Please read instead of asking repetitive questions...Please read instead of asking repetitive questions. They develop as a product of nature and nurture.<br /><br />Are you Ed (not Bystander) as a rose by any other name, by any chance ?Tony Frostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-65882089454015496182012-07-17T10:58:50.608+01:002012-07-17T10:58:50.608+01:00I don't know your level of experience, but in ...I don't know your level of experience, but in mine it is very rare indeed to deal with a lack of an MOT as a sole offence.<br /><br />On a related point, many false economies have been made in the last few months which will actually greatly actually increase the amount of court time that simple cases take up; the moves on legal aid come to mind.<br /><br />One of the reasons that these problems arise is that the powers that be decide that Flavour of the Month ('efficiences'; budgets; asset management etc etc) will be more important than the principles of basic justice for all. <br /><br />They are trying for a justice system that is i) quick ii) good quality and iii) cheap. And if they had any life experience, they would know that you can normally only ever get two of these things combined; never three.Bikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-60995560733023027992012-07-17T10:44:05.625+01:002012-07-17T10:44:05.625+01:00Fair enough, Italian lawyer. But if so, then almo...Fair enough, Italian lawyer. But if so, then almost all of his 15 pages of pontifications becomes irrelevant.Tony Frostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-61561461916543696712012-07-17T10:20:46.436+01:002012-07-17T10:20:46.436+01:00You shouldn't need any, let alone three. Just...You shouldn't need any, let alone three. Just think how much court time would be saved by dealing with them away from the courts as a fixed penalty. Before anyone mentions ability to pay, there are plenty of other fixed penalty offences and I don't hear complaints about ability to pay around those.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-9614658328823333082012-07-17T10:15:34.321+01:002012-07-17T10:15:34.321+01:00No.
And as BS says, lists are rarely so simple.
...No.<br /><br />And as BS says, lists are rarely so simple.<br /><br />And not unoccasionally, someone will turn up to dispute a TV licence evasion charge. Even MOT certificates can get a bit complex.<br /><br />Three people are not needed, no. But one might also ask whether you NEED 12 people on a jury for many cases. Necessity should not be the only driving force behind the justice system.Bikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-73838891082607949552012-07-17T09:53:34.538+01:002012-07-17T09:53:34.538+01:00sour,self indulgent grapes pour out of some on her...sour,self indulgent grapes pour out of some on here like a poisonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-64364950528921175652012-07-17T09:36:06.513+01:002012-07-17T09:36:06.513+01:00Probably not, but in a mixed list the following ca...Probably not, but in a mixed list the following case might be one that really needs three heads.Bystander https://www.blogger.com/profile/10211688955428527960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-44189606070009054142012-07-17T08:43:25.497+01:002012-07-17T08:43:25.497+01:00is like a mini-jury, which gives us de facto our a...is like a mini-jury, which gives us de facto our authority as laymen<br />What a remarkable concept.( not being ironic in the least, just envious)<br />Sigle person benches are apt to be unpredictable,and at times dispotic in case management and just fey in their ar -ratio decidendi- whether the single person is a layman, or a lawyer.Unfortunately they are much cheaper than panel judges, and quicker: often too quick, IMHO. <br /> <br />The Chief Magistrate indulged himself ...<br />as I understood it, judgement finds that there's reasonable doubt that JK ever really did the action that amounts to the offense,( and lip readers' evidence is quoted to show that they can't say he did) so that it didn't really matter who might have been harassed by what JK actually did?Italian lawyernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-65959762869359958712012-07-17T08:27:35.514+01:002012-07-17T08:27:35.514+01:00@Tony Frost, if you know nature means genetics why...@Tony Frost, if you know nature means genetics why are you saying that, "people do not develop genetically"? You seem to be contradicting yourself.Nationalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00298563601180545788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-15794817967896263522012-07-17T07:49:06.489+01:002012-07-17T07:49:06.489+01:00Biker...so you really need three of you to decide ...Biker...so you really need three of you to decide the fine on a TV licence evasion or lack of an MOT certificate...really?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-60566133078619625612012-07-16T22:37:38.779+01:002012-07-16T22:37:38.779+01:00I wonder what sort of sad little creature doesn...I wonder what sort of sad little creature doesn't even have the balls to pick a pseudonym. What's wrong, terrified of the idea of even that accountability for your verbiage?Ed (not Bystander)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-22106070949491683912012-07-16T21:03:15.973+01:002012-07-16T21:03:15.973+01:00Agree with the concept, but it requires a good mag...Agree with the concept, but it requires a good magistrate. Unfortunately, we have had a rather high-visibility example of a DJ sitting alone in summary trial last week. The Chief Magistrate indulged himself in a 10+ page verdict, missing entirely the point about identifying exactly who the harassed person was, or even hypothetically who it might have been, so as to fulfill Section 5 definitions. One would have thought that consideration of the elements of the law as written is pretty basic, before even getting into nuances of whether various foul language was said with an intonation that lip readers cannot testify about. Etc., etc.Tony Frostnoreply@blogger.com