tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post1961890699813680385..comments2023-07-10T10:57:18.522+01:00Comments on The Magistrates' Blog: The Plot ThickensBystander http://www.blogger.com/profile/10211688955428527960noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-68370667463226817242012-08-22T03:42:43.205+01:002012-08-22T03:42:43.205+01:00Ha!Ha!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-53187814228024001092012-08-21T23:11:19.536+01:002012-08-21T23:11:19.536+01:00I read a lot of his stuff on pprune. Crossed sword...I read a lot of his stuff on pprune. Crossed swords with him on occasion. Got told I didn't understand. <br /><br />A very bad advert for the lay magistracy.<br /><br />Surprised he lasted this long really.Richardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-14298012111729404542012-08-21T22:06:15.466+01:002012-08-21T22:06:15.466+01:00Blog: On ProbationBlog: On ProbationAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-34717154284617689712012-08-21T21:35:45.623+01:002012-08-21T21:35:45.623+01:00Drunk and Disorderly is non-imprisonable so per se...Drunk and Disorderly is non-imprisonable so per se cannot result in custody. AlsoJPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-23096685639780720452012-08-21T14:39:10.337+01:002012-08-21T14:39:10.337+01:00A good comment from On Probation. A good comment from On Probation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-68644747474564236342012-08-21T10:31:18.693+01:002012-08-21T10:31:18.693+01:00And we go upwards too - a theft or drunk and disor...And we go upwards too - a theft or drunk and disorderly that would normally attract just a fine can result in custody if it is for the umpteenth time and we feel the public needs a break. Or we might decide His Honour needs to see someone even it would normally be dealt with by the bench. As I said, it is about what we feel is right. north bucks jpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-26096328815351223762012-08-21T10:17:15.782+01:002012-08-21T10:17:15.782+01:00Or even 'rather'Or even 'rather'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-84847846103709921262012-08-21T10:15:24.940+01:002012-08-21T10:15:24.940+01:00One hopes that onlookerJP is rarely more careful a...One hopes that onlookerJP is rarely more careful about evidence in court than here. No such statement was made.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-88770321789530785932012-08-21T00:54:38.188+01:002012-08-21T00:54:38.188+01:00payasoru, I'll leave that feedline on the tabl...payasoru, I'll leave that feedline on the table. Thanks, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-65483321046208929142012-08-21T00:53:20.170+01:002012-08-21T00:53:20.170+01:00Would "Hearsay" like to confirm whether ...Would "Hearsay" like to confirm whether or not it is a JP? I am happy to admit fault if it happens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-81166697190714994992012-08-21T00:50:44.759+01:002012-08-21T00:50:44.759+01:00Oh, they go outside the guidelines... downwards. T...Oh, they go outside the guidelines... downwards. The complaints relate to (nearly) never going upwards. Unless you're saying otherwise?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-15538907992666710662012-08-20T21:45:03.687+01:002012-08-20T21:45:03.687+01:00Well said. I only met her once at a conference but...Well said. I only met her once at a conference but was very impressed with her grasp of legal issues etc.ObiterJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04544226917595022902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-86661074169581675392012-08-20T19:11:39.470+01:002012-08-20T19:11:39.470+01:00Thank you north bucks jp. Having read this blog si...Thank you north bucks jp. Having read this blog since it's inception, I should have remembered something along these lines being mentioned before. But after seven years, it's hard to recall every piece of information.<br /><br />I feel my original post that sparked all these replies has been corrected. Thanks again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-5378605725211301802012-08-20T18:58:01.141+01:002012-08-20T18:58:01.141+01:00It would indeed be a rare day in Court when every ...It would indeed be a rare day in Court when every sentence was exactly aligned to what the Guidelines suggest. After all, they are there to provide a consistent framework for sentencing, not a restraint. Providing sound, clear (and clearly legal!) reasons can be given, then a Court can sentence as it wishes in most cases.<br /><br />I only mention this, because of course it's exactly this sort of helpful insight that the new Guidance would have disappear from the internet.Bikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-32591356146832540832012-08-20T18:21:03.251+01:002012-08-20T18:21:03.251+01:00Ah well, at least it keeps him off the streets. An...Ah well, at least it keeps him off the streets. And my skin is pretty thick.Ian Hurdleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17322290011259357106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-69551169988936330622012-08-20T18:16:05.425+01:002012-08-20T18:16:05.425+01:00How do you know who the poster is?
Another post...How do you know who the poster is? <br /><br />Another post with the fingerprints of a troll on it -- sigh--Bystander https://www.blogger.com/profile/10211688955428527960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-52410607966445425192012-08-20T18:14:19.980+01:002012-08-20T18:14:19.980+01:00I am afraid, NBJP, that it looks as if one of our...I am afraid, NBJP, that it looks as if one of our resident trolls has switched to anon. so that he can carry on making snide remarks about JPs. He doesn't have a scrap of knowledge nor a shred of evidence about the way benches work, and he doesn't seem too keen to learn. Bystander https://www.blogger.com/profile/10211688955428527960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-67172165166415770052012-08-20T18:09:14.831+01:002012-08-20T18:09:14.831+01:00"The complaints arise because JPs very nearly... "The complaints arise because JPs very nearly never go outside them."<br />That may be the case in Anonymous's court, but every week we go outside them for various reasons - proportionality (ie not applying a Band A fine to a £2000 per week earner for driving at 35mph in a 30 limit), unjustness or inability to pay what the guidelines state. In every case we give our reasons, and always run them past our Legal Adviser to make sure. Moral courage does not come into it, we do what we feel is right.north bucks jpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-88495741597083318532012-08-20T17:34:46.252+01:002012-08-20T17:34:46.252+01:00By "bully boys in wigs", I take it you m...By "bully boys in wigs", I take it you mean "highly experienced, qualified, professional judges"?<br /><br />That's the sort of remark that brings the unprofessional judiciary into disrepute.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-11665160814355122192012-08-20T17:32:54.289+01:002012-08-20T17:32:54.289+01:00The guidelines are legally binding. However, it is...The guidelines are legally binding. However, it is legally possible to go outside them if one provides reasons. The complaints arise because JPs very nearly never go outside them. Presumably this is because they lack the moral courage to provide reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-7508130899197121852012-08-20T17:30:59.477+01:002012-08-20T17:30:59.477+01:00Perhaps you need guidance on spelling "manoeu...Perhaps you need guidance on spelling "manoeuvres".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-3467769242539831412012-08-20T17:27:50.060+01:002012-08-20T17:27:50.060+01:00BS probably accidentally censored his own remarks....BS probably accidentally censored his own remarks. Careless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-29873967302527893852012-08-20T16:38:20.894+01:002012-08-20T16:38:20.894+01:00If there is one thing this blog has shown is that ...If there is one thing this blog has shown is that 'lenient' sentences are not always the result of weak decisions by the courts, rather the judiciary following the guidelines and options available to them.<br /><br />Without blogs like these, we will have only the likes of the Daily Mail from which to form opinions.<br /><br />Nuff said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-47279108363892157162012-08-20T16:26:51.054+01:002012-08-20T16:26:51.054+01:00For those who may have missed the point, the phras...For those who may have missed the point, the phrase "de haut en bas" used rather condescendingly by SR means just that, condescending! And this from the person who claimed to be "still not clear" as to why MotVG balked at the HRA reference (others have been referring to s10 HRA). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2727871367480602637.post-8273256085863990602012-08-20T15:55:35.587+01:002012-08-20T15:55:35.587+01:00Perhaps it needs Guidance about Blogging?Perhaps it needs Guidance about Blogging?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com